Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Also, the facts (as we know them),in addition to legal precedents related thereto, does not even began to excuse the obvious prejudicial persecution by that judge Walthers of the adults in that compound. But, more importantly, separating those young children from their mothers - and, thus, causing them to be traumatically scarred, does not begin to compare with any accusations of sexual abuse by reason of an underage marriage.
But as to facts and law:
1. We now know that the girl held hostage was a hoax. But,it can be adduced that that raid was set up between certain state legislative officials, Sheriff Doran, and Judge Walthers. So, since the "reasonable cause" to raid that compound relied upon that false hostage hoax, the seizure of any files or other material should be excluded in any trial to prosecute members of that sect (as "fruit from the poisonous tree").
2. Also, the fact that buses were part of that raid clearly demonstrates that such pretext to invade that compound was mainly for the purpose of kidnapping those children. The state has claimed that their observation of a pregnant underage teen was sufficient cause to take ALL of the children. BUT, AN EXCEPTION DOES NOT PROVE THE RULE.
3. Then,in an attempt to justify that rash action, CPS and their hacks starting questioning those children as soon as they got on the bus. Who taught them that young children and toddlers could be grilled about their families without a parent or attorney ad litem present? Also,CPS made a big to do about the children and their parents lack of "cooperation". Has anybody told them that citizens have a right to remain silent? Its called their "Miranda" rights.
4.The only reason the state (CPS) is still trying to prosecute(persecute)those sect members is their bitterness in not
being able to prevail in court in the attempt to pacify that county's tight ass baptist populace.
5. Finally, a major reason that the Third Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court went against that arrogant judge is that the violations of due process were so blatant, a removal of this case to
a federal court would,undoubtedly, result in a ruling in favor of those defendants. And, no lower court likes to be embarrassed with a decision and opinion overturning them. Especially, where a federal
forum might spank a state court with an adverse opinion.Chartelle
Tuesday, June 10, 2008
une 6, 2008
Dallas Morning News has a breaking story about a government educational compound called "Arlington Sam Houston High School." According to DMN this cult of socialized education has over 200 underage girls who are pregnant. When will CPS send in their SWAT team to protect these children!
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By LESLIE KAUFMAN and DAN FROSCH
Published: May 29, 2008
Ruth Edna Fischer was first allowed to see her 2-year-old daughter, from whom she had been separated after the raid on their polygamist ranch in Texas, at the child’s hospital room. The child had been taken there because of severe dehydration and malnutrition, Ms. Fischer said.
Ruth Edna Fischer, visiting two of her four children, Joseph Smith Jeffs and Hyrum Smith Jeffs, twins who are in Texas custody.
“Hannah looked like a little orphan sitting on the couch,” Ms. Fischer said. “Her hair was stringy and she was in a diaper, a pair of dirty socks and a hospital gown.”
The second visit two weeks later at a state office in Angleton, Tex., was worse. The girl would not even meet her mother’s gaze. “It was like she hardly remembered me,” said Ms. Fischer, who has four children in state custody.
As they await a ruling by the highest court in Texas on whether child-welfare authorities had the right to take 468 children from the ranch early last month, the mothers have started speaking out more forcefully about what they think the separation has already done to their children.
The mothers and their lawyers are undoubtedly trying to make their best pitch for public sympathy as the Supreme Court of Texas deliberates on the fate of their children. Last Thursday, an appeals court in Austin found that the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services had illegally removed the children without sufficient evidence that they were in immediate danger.
On Friday, state officials asked the higher court for an emergency order that would allow them to keep all but a dozen children in their custody. The dozen children were returned to their parents under the condition that they have continuing supervision. The Supreme Court denied the stay on Friday, but said it would consider the case over the weekend. No decision has been issued yet.
Many child-welfare experts across the nation, who have as a group watched the high-profile Texas case closely, say the raid on the polygamist ranch diverged sharply from the recommended practices both in Texas and elsewhere in the country.
They say a growing body of research supports the contention of the mothers that forceful removal can have both significant short-term and long-lasting harm, particularly for younger children. Some studies have found that the wide-ranging effects include anxiety, extreme distrust of strangers and, in the future, higher rates of teenage pregnancy and juvenile incarceration.
Through their lawyers and in personal interviews, the mothers have been spilling tales of toddlers who have forgotten toilet training and 3-year-olds who cling to them frantically during visits. Ms. Fischer’s child became dehydrated as a result of a fever.
It is because of the growing national consensus about the scarring effect of removal on children, even if only temporarily, that federal law — to which all state law must defer — demands that children be removed only if “reasonable efforts” to keep them at home have been made.
Many states, like Oregon and Tennessee, have gone even further to protect children from the trauma of removal by giving families intensive in-home services first, and then, if the child is taken, having conferences with the parents, kin and friends from the community within 48 hours to help smooth the transition.
Some experts in Texas state law and procedure say the state not only violated minimum national standards, which are written into the Texas Family Code, but they also violated due process considerations. These were essentially the findings of the appeals court.
“They made no effort to keep the children there at the ranch,” said Johana Scot, executive director of the Parent Guidance Center in Austin, which helps advocate for the rights of parents who have had their children taken into foster care.
“And even worse, they did not give the families individual hearings, which they are also required to do by the code,” Ms. Scot said. “They’ve really botched this.”
Marleigh Meisner, a public information officer for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said she could not discuss any particulars of this case. But in the filing to the Texas Supreme Court last Friday, the state held that because the parents had declined to identify which children belonged to whom, they could not at first be treated individually.
Further, the state asserted that all children were at risk because they were being indoctrinated into a pattern of sexual abuse — the young girls as victims, and the boys as predators.
Last Friday, to bolster its case, the state made public a picture of what it said was the now-imprisoned leader of the church, Warren S. Jeffs, kissing a 12-year female child on the lips
The state’s raid on the Yearning for Zion ranch of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S., came on April 3 after someone called an abuse hot line and said that she was a 16-year-old child bride being abused by her older husband at the ranch in Eldorado, Tex., which is about 45 miles south of San Angelo.
The state raided the ranch and conducted an extensive investigation of the sect’s files and found that numerous girls under the age of 16, some as young as 13, had been impregnated by older men. The caller has not been found.
Lawyers for the families say Texas officials overstepped the law in removing the children from their families; some three-quarters of the children were under age 10 and presumably not at “imminent risk” of abuse, which is the standard, according to federal law. Less draconian options, which the state did not employ, could have included removing all the men from the ranch or only the teenage girls, the lawyers have argued.
Steven D. Cohen, a senior associate at the Baltimore-based Annie E. Casey Foundation, a national child-advocacy organization, said that while he could not say whether Texas officials acted improperly in taking the children from their mothers, he did think that they had violated numerous standards of best practice widely used elsewhere.
“Breaking all of the ties to several parental figures and siblings, and taking them to a remote and unfamiliar place raises many red flags about trauma and its effect on children,” Mr. Cohen said
Experts say younger children, who often do not have a sense of the passage of time, can be particularly hard hit by such separations. About 100 of the children removed from the sect were 2 years old or younger.
Shelly Greco, a court-appointed lawyer for a 14-month-old girl removed from the ranch, says the child had been up crying uncontrollably many nights because she was so abruptly weaned.
Numerous studies in recent years show that the effects of removal can be long lasting, often not showing up fully for a decade of more. In one study, Joseph J. Doyle, an economist with the Sloan School of Management at M.I.T., found that children removed from their parents and taken into foster care, even for a relatively short period, were three times as likely to grow up to be juvenile offenders or have a teenage pregnancy than were children from similarly troubled homes who had been left with their parents.
Professor Doyle said Texas was far from alone in erring on the side of removal. “From the caseworker’s point of view, the incentive is to take the kid,” he said. “That’s the safer choice, because it is unlikely that if something terrible happens in foster care they would be blamed. Whereas if something were to happen at home, the caseworker would be blamed.”
But Lori Jessop, one of a few mothers from the ranch who were reunited with their children in a court-brokered agreement last Friday, said she had already seen the impact of this situation. Ms. Jessop said her three children were suffering from night terrors and a fear of strangers, among other problems. She said that when her 4-year-old daughter recently saw a picture of a bus, like the one used to transport the children when they were in foster care, she started to cry.
“It’s affected her a lot,” Ms. Jessop said. “Everybody that she sees, especially adult men, she calls them policemen.”
Sunday, June 8, 2008
quote from a respected Justice on the Supreme Court....which
is similar to what I said in my first post when I began this blog
on behalf of that mormon sect. That excerpt is as follows:
Posted on May 19, 2008 by Jamie Spencer
...the beginning of all freedom
Shawn Matlock declares that privacy as we know it is [possibly] a thing of the past.
Using Justice Douglas’ line that “The right to be let alone is the beginning of all freedom” as the title of his post, he assails the current Deputy Director of National Intelligence’s recent assertion that Americans need to rethink their definition of privacy.
Anyone interested in an excellent discussion on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and privacy should read Shawn’s post thoroughly. Those left unsated can [this part was left unwritten].
What I wrote in my first post was as follows:
"Actually, the real motivation for such abuses of gov-
ernment - both at Waco and at that mormon com-
pound - is simply this: government just can't accept
the idea that there are individuals and groups of
people who simply wish to be left alone...to live their
lives outside the conformities which most of us are
forced into by political correctness and the hypocrisy
of what is perceived to be the correct way to conduct
Gee, its nice to know that the said Justice agrees with me....or that I agree with him.
Wednesday, June 4, 2008
Great Scott ! ! - and we call this the land of the free and the
home of the brave? On my blog, I was about to write a post
implying that that whole FLDS raid was a conspiracy...mainly
involving one state legislator (Harvey Hildebran), local officials
(Sheriff David Doran) and a judge(Walther) - in whose court
they, undoubtedly, had the assurance that she would set aside
judicial integrity in favor of making rulings from the bench con-
sistent with the goals of that conspiracy...to run FLDS out of the
state of Texas (while egreiously violating the civil rights of that
religious group in the process).
But, thanks to the fine investigative reporting efforts of the
Dallas Morning News we now have hard evidence that it was
indeed a conspiracy, but on a massive state wide scale...going
all the way up to the governor's office (and showing his com-
plicity in said conspiracy). It has been reported that these
same players are now trying to contrive criminal charges
against some of the members of FLDS.
Well, lets put the shoe on the other foot. My advice to FLDS
is not to lay back again and simply be grateful for getting the
children back.If you truly want to be left alone you must
stand up for your rights by going on the offense. Get a rec-
ognized civil rights attorney and file a civil rights suit in the
federal court for actual and punitive damages (including in-
junctive relief against state and local officials from further inter-
ferece in your religious freedoms), I think you can win a large
monetary award against these weasels for their compiracy to
violate your civil rights.
But even more important, file a civil rights complaint with the
US Justice department against all those conspirators who know-
ingly, willfullly and intentionally set out to violate your civil
rights. Its time to start putting these weasels under criminal
charges...in order to deter others who, in the future, would
attempt to use their official capacities to violate the constitu-
tional rights of individuals or groups. Lets hope the national
media will finally start reporting the extent of this outrage.
UP THE CONSTITUION, DOWN THE BRIGANDS
Monday, June 2, 2008
Besides the action of CPS in wrongfully seizing those
children, under authority of that megalomaniac judge
(I now feel a better term for her is, the" incubus"), this
coerced agreement - as to conditions for their release
- is absolutely ridiculous. I would hope that such an
agreement does not reflect the legal skills of the attor-
neys for FLDS and the children...but,instead, was only
signed because of the urgency to terminate the emotional
and mental stress which those children have been endur-
ing as captives of the state.
One would expect such agreement to be accepted only if
CPS had proven all of the vile accusations and speculations
they have used to justify their abuses of authority. But the
rulings by the higher courts, in effect, said such actions
by CPS ,together with the lack of a fair, impartial and con-
stitutional judicial process/proceeding, conducted by that
incubus, could not stand. In short, she was rebuked by
the 3rd Court of Appeals (not reversed and remanded).
Therefore, under that reality, how does she have any legal
standing to impose such harsh conditions and restrictions?
Indeed, such strictures are not even imposed upon a
career criminal let out of prison on parole....or a person on
I can only hope those attorneys for FLDS and children
added in that agreement, "this agreement is signed under
protest and duress...and does not constitute any waiver of
defendants right to appeal this agreement, or pursue any
other legal actions which defendants may take in response to
those actions by officials of the state of Texas in wrongfully
entering the private property of FLDS without probable cause,
and illegally seizing and holding the children of FLDS mem-
bers against their will - and , in violation of the protections
afforded to all US citizens under provisions of the Constitution
of the United States.
Saturday, May 31, 2008
(proposed TV script for a docudrama)
(scene opens showing sheriff riding into town holding
the reins of a second horse on which is a handcuffed man)
"Who you got thar Sheriff Doran"? "Got me a suspected
cattle rustler". (crowd gathers)."Why you onery sidewinder
we'll show yall what we do to cattle rustlers round heah" Another
shouts, "get a rope,boys"." Now,now, hold on boys, the sheriff yells
out..."we gonna hang the varment alright,,,but first we gonna
give him a "fair" trial in Judge Walthers' court"..."then, we'll hang him".
Judge Walthers listens to sheriff Doran's suspicions and
allegations...The judge asked the cowboy if he was a baptist.
"No",he said he was a mormon. At that point, Walthers rules
that the defendant has failed to prove he was innocent...and
sentences him to be hanged. A mob then rushes forward, grabs
him, and drags him to a large tree. They throwa rope over a limb
and hang him. A week later the ranch foreman from neighboring
county brings in a Bill of Sale showing that the defendant did own
those cattle after all.
Later a number of that lynch mob gathers in the saloon to discuss
the hanging. "Well, its not our fault that he was innocent"."Besides,
we were only trying to protect those cattle against someone that
might not own em"." Yeh,Yeh", the crowd murmers in agreement.
"Anyway, people like that got no bidness coming round these parts
looking different and believing different from us god fearing
baptists"." Yep, and CPS did tell us they had CONCERNS about the
safety of those cattle....and, they sez that feller mighta been having
sex with the calves in that herd". "Thats right",'thats right", the
crowd agreed. Well, lets just forget about it and have another beer."
So, as Dale Robertson would say, "and thats been another tale of the old west".
WILL ROGERS SAID: "ITS NOT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW
THAT GETS US INTO TROUBLE, ITS WHAT WE KNOW
THAT AIN'T SO.
BERNARD BARUCH: "Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably
sensible and reasonable--as a member of a crowd, he at once
becomes a blockhead". Even the kindest, gentlest people, when
they descend into groupthink, turn into savages."
Friday, May 23, 2008
All of the state's grievous actions in it's gestapo
tactics, and justifications for such actions, has been
touted as doing so to "protect the children".
Well, what they have done has had the total op-
posite impact upon those children. Regardless of
the age of those mothers (or fathers), those children
were secure, sheltered and living in an environment
of love and happiness. They were bonded to their
mothers, and/or mothers ( as the case may be)
All of the psychological research has proven that
this early bonding and love is essential to develope-
ment of a well adjusted adult. Forensic psychology
has ample case studies which prove that serial killers
and others with psychotic or neurotic
personalities can, in many cases, be traced back
to a lack of any bonding of love and affection as a child.
A feeling of being secure and protected also plays a
major role in healthy development.
When the state tore those children away from
their parents, they could not possibly process or
understand what was happening to them. Most
will feel that they have done something wrong
...and will feel the anguish of guilt and fear in
being separated from that bonding. Then you
add to that a strange and unfamiliar living
environment and the child is even more fright-
ened and confused.
Did that District Judge or CPS take any of this
harm to the child in consideration when they
arbitrarily and arrogantly engineered that
invasion to "protect those children"?
And, then, when the news comes out, via the
the mental health workers, that, instead of trying
to comfort those children, the behavior of the CPS
staff toward those children and mothers was un-
believably mean, uncaring and nasty. They were
simply treated as inmates in a maximum security
It was reported that even during the birth of a
baby to one of the girls, there were two of the
CPS staff in the delivery room to kidnap the baby
right after birth. (did they think that baby would
come out and start running to get away?)
Any gynecologist will tell you that the bonding
of mother and baby right after birth is especially
important . Finally, a mothers should breast feed
her baby for at least 2-3 months to give the
baby a healthy immune system. One more proof
of callous indifference by CPS.
Thursday, May 22, 2008
FOR THEIR BELIEFS, NOT FOR THEIR ACTIONS
Never have I seen a case where a state agency (CPS) has relied
so heavily on a smear campaign made up of lie after lie to justify
their actions (and those of other state agencies - including that
of a warped District Judge). That is, undoubtedly, why that judge
has never issued a gag order in this case. They hope the focus
of the public will be diverted to those absurd lies and vile con-
jectures, rather than a consideration of facts NOT in evidence
...and will not view this travesty of justice for the unconscionable
violation of civil rights which it is.
BUT, THEN, LETS CONSIDER THE ISSUES
1. First of all, there should never have been an invasion of that
private property. The pretext for that armed intrusion (a hoax
perpetrated by that neurotic black girl) might have risen to
"probable cause" but how did that justify breaking into their
safe and all of their files and computers? Actually, facts have
now come to light that the authorities knew ahead of that raid
that the supposed culprit had been out of the state for several
years. That makes all such seizures of property and children
even more illegal. An intentional violation of due process
by the fascists.
2. CPS targets its accusations and smears mainly by attaching
the word "sex" to almost every activity and conduct practiced
by that FLDS sect:
a. "Spirit Marriages: One could argue that all marriages
are "spiritual" ceremonies. What is the different between
a marriage by a Justice of the peace, and/or by a Captain
of the good ship lollipop, and a spirit marriage conducted
by an elder at that FLDS compound? I can suggest one big
difference. The FLDS marriages will reflect a greater
"commitment" to their vows and/or ceremony than nor-
mal non-spirit marriages.
The FLDS man who marries a wife stays married to her,
and sees to it that any kids born of that union are well fed,
healthy and happy. On the other hand, there are huge
numbers of divorces between couples that are not members
of FLDS. Accordingly, there are a large number of ex-
wives who are struggling to raise their kids as single moms.
Of course, a "spirit" marriage might also be defined as one
which is not officially recorded. That would be explained by
the fact that without such records there in no proof that a
husband has engaged in marriage to plural wives. So, to
practice a tenet of their beliefs/religion, they must resort to
b. Sexual abuse and rape: There has been no evidence
whatever that there is any sex taking place outside of a
marriage. And, sex within a marriage is neither sexual
abuse or rape...no matter how the officials and media twist
the actual facts.
Of course, I don't doubt that some girls have chosen to
get married as early as 14 years of age. But no girls have
come forward to testify that they were "forced"into those
marriages... and none have complained that they are unable
to discontinue any such marriages should they wish to do so -
and/or to voluntarily leave that compound.
c. A more recent smear by those desperate zealots were
allegations that many boys had broken bones - insin-
uating that the men in that compound had intentionally
mistreated them psysically to the point of breaking their
bones. If, indeed, that is to be explored, then there should
be a disinterested and respected orthopedic surgeon
examine each such male child to obtain the truth about
such injury. But, it should be noted that not a single one
of those boys have come forward to reveal any such
psysical abuse?That did not dissuade Nancy Dis-grace
of CNN from slandering the doctor that treated those
injuries...by alleging that said doctor probably covered up
the abuses since he was aligned to FLDS. I only hope that
doctor sues CNN and Nancy Dis-grace for slander and
defamation of character.
3. Next, we have the allegations by CPS that these children
are being "conditioned" or brainwashed to live the kind of lives
they lead. Lord knows we are all being conditioned every day to
accept the idea that we must stay in Iraq and suffer those
human and financial costs in order to "stabilize"that country.
But, then, that conditioning has not/will not convince me.
CPS and Nancy Grace are conditioning us to believe that people
and groups are guilty untill proven innocent. Our children in
public schools are being conditioned to accept homosexuality,
lesbianism, and same sex marriages as being normal. They are
forced to read " Why susie has two mommas", and, "Daddy's live
-in friend". They are taught sex education in schools - where, in
the sixrh grade, they are learning to put condoms on cucumbers.
If parents are catholic, don't they have the right to condition
their children to believe in going to mass every Sunday; and
learn how to say their rosaries...in addition to confessing all
their sins to the priest in the booth? Don't the jews have the
right to teach their kids to eat kosher. Don't muslims have the
right to teach their kids the belief that one should not eat pork
because the meat is impure?
Then, why shouldn't FLDS parents have the right to"condition"
their children in their own religious beliefs and practices.
Perhaps we should turn over parental instruction of all our
children to CPS...who can teach them to become secular hypocrits
4. Undercover Agent?:
It was no long ago when we were told that all those accusations
and slander could be proved because there had been an
undercover agent working inside that coumpound. But during
the temporary hearing on custody of those kids, the state did
not produce any testimony from such person with first hand
knowledge of illegal acts. ANOTHER FAT LIE.They did produce
a psychologist - who is a hack for the state to help any kids that
manage to survive any atrocities caused by the government
(he treated the kids from the Davidian compound outside Waco).
He is a clone of that Dr Grigsby (known as Doctor Death) who
was a psychiatrist in Dallas County that the DA could always
count on to testify that a person, who the state wanted to
sentence to death, was a sociopath.
Finally, the idea that the courts might condition the release of
those children back to their parents on having them attend some
sort of indoctrination on how they should raise their children, is
too absurd to even contemplate. Many of the women in that sect
have probably mothered 4 or more children. And, they have
several other mothers to back them up in parental duties. Cer-
tainly, all parties involved in this case would agree that those kids
are clean, well-mannered and healthy. I would be willing to wager
that any kids being raised by those CPS feaks not only delinquents
but are probably smoking pot or doing meth. And, while their kids
may not be marrying older men, they have likely been sexually
active since they turned 14 (or younger).
If CPS is all that shocked that there are underage FLDS girls giving
birth, why don't they attempt to take the infants away from all
those nderage young girls in our society who are not members of
FLDS ..and have no husbands to support either those girls or their
infants. Instead, our society attempts to subsidize those girls with
Aid to Dependent Children; food stamps; subsidized housing;etc,etc.
There is something missing in the reasoning in this case. The
courts should apply a bit of common sense in trying to deal with
problems that do not exist - save and except for those that have
been created by the officials of the State ofTexas. The only pro-
tection that those children need is to be protected from CPS and
the predudice of that methodist judge against the FLDS's beliefs.
IT IS TIME THAT THE COURTS RECOGNIZE THE RIGHTS OF
THIS RELIGIOUS GROUP TO THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED
BY THE US CONSTITUTION.
Where are those constitutional scholars who usually speak up for
the constitutional rights of the terrorists at Gitmo?
For more extensive links to this matter go to:
Sunday, April 27, 2008
Personally, I have no problem in concluding that young girls
AND YOUNG MEN should wait until they have reached a
certain age of maturity before they get married and start
having babies. In an ideal world both should probably wait
until they are 18 years of age or older. The main thing is that
they should be in a position to properly care for a child...at
least the head of household. That means having the financial
means and emotional stability to maintain a loving family
atmosphere. I just happen to believe that such criteria existed
in that mormon communal sect. They certainly have an
extended family group to support the needs of those children.
Didn't Hillary Clinton say,"Its takes a village" to raise a child?
Anyway, the members of that sect are god-fearing, well
mannered, and humble. The kids are healthy, and appear
to be happy (I should say WERE healthy and happy). It is
only in state custody that the children are getting sick and
developing diseases. To traumatically tear those children
away from their parent, and/or parents, and place them
into a stark unloving environment(where they are likely
cringing in fear) proves that that pompous, arrogant,
megalomaniac judge is incapable of rendering any ruling
or judgment based upon sound reasoning or pragmatism.
But, to state that she is doing all that to protect the children
is absolutely disingenuous. The infirmities of her body has,
likely, warped her mind into becoming a personality intent
on showing the world that she is now God-like, and from
her bench she can twist reality and issue orders anyway
she sees fit- notwithstanding any constitutional restraints,
and/or due process of law. Of course, a major factor in her
ruling that those children remain in custody of the state, is
due, in large measure, to the fact that the bitch on the bench
has got her ass in a crack. She provided authority for those
storm troopers invading that peaceful and unarmed com-
pound with tanks and automatic weapons. What a bunch of
heroes. It would have made Janet Reno proud. It was remi-
niscent of a detachment of nazi gestop SS breaking down
the doors of a synagogue. And, what about the reputation,
hereafter, of the legendary Texas Rangers. "One ranger;
one riot"?Not hardly. We will now visualize them rounding
up them-thar dangerous little girls.
The problem for this judge relates to the fact that the "pro-
bable cause", under which she has attempted to justify
sicing the dogs on those kids no longer exists. It was a hoax.
And, the judge fell for it. Now, she is more or less compelled
to follow through with this outrage by keeping those children
in state custody. To rule otherwise would be to admit she
made a colossal blunder in the first place. So, now, the judge
asserts that she was not just rescuing a child held hostage, but
that she is saving all the children in that sect from a heinous
religious lifestyle (in her pontifical opinion) - a sect that believes
in plural marriages...with many of those wives being LEGALLY
defined as"underage". Nevertheless, under due process, any
testimony or evidence pertaining to an alleged criminal act
committed by a party or parties should have been submitted to
the district attorney's office who would have taken those partic-
ulars to a grand jury. Then, if the evidence showed a likelihood
that a violation of the penal code had occurred, that grand jury
would hand down a "true bill". At that point, the District Attorney
could have approached the judge to seek an arrest warrant, along
with a search warrant, seeking evidence related to the crime
alleged in the complaint. Those warrant(s) would then be given
to the sheriff of the county to serve and execute the said warrants.
It is absolutely an abuse of authority for a presiding judge to
appoint herself to handle all such legal processes, and/or to
simply ignore due process. Under this circumstance, how in the
hell can she then claim that she can be fair and impartial in
ajudicating any aspect of this matter. I simply fail to understand
why the lawyers for that sect did not move to recuse that judge,
and/or seek a change of venue to a more diverse part of the state.
I would certainly hope they are preserving errors by raising
objections to all the constitutional abuses made by that judge.
I would also expect that this case be removed to a federal court
(writ of certiorari )due to this massive violation of civil rights.
Finally, they should go to federal court to obtain a Writ of Habeas
Corpus. Those kids did not commit any crime justifying them
being held in detention incommunicata. And, there has been no
showing that those kids were in any imminent danger from their
All that court (along with the despicable CPS) has done to justify
it's actions has been to mount a massive smear campaign against
their religious belief-practice. There has been no showing of proof
in a court of law that that sect is living a life of Sodom and
Gomorah...even though the agents of the state are doing their best
to demonize that sect with allegations that it's members are en-
gaged in some sort of sex orgies. Of course, the ridiculous news
media is only to happy to report any such smear jobs since sex
mixed with religion grabs headlines, and sells newspapers. And,
certainly there are weak-minded boobs (who are incapable of crit-
ical thinking) who will always believe that the media is omnipotent
and omnipresent. Why doesn't the media conduct a professional
journalism approach to this story by looking at the absurdity of
what this judge is doing, and the implications of this case to relig-
ious freedom and civil rights in general.
Why don't they interviewthe children and ask them if they would
like to be returned to their home and mothers, or to be placed in
foster homes with people whose main motivations are mercenary
(collecting payments from the state). As I've said in prior posts,
I've never met a successful or well adjusted person raised as a
foster child. After their 18th birthday they are put out on their
own...no college fund, no support group. Also, if you don't think
many of those girls ,if placed in foster homes, will never end up
pregnant (or will not engage in sexual activity as underage teens)
then you just don't live in the real world.
The only "underage"sex"those girls engage in living within
that compound is as a wife to a man committed to provide for her
and her children.Contrast this with all the sexually active under-
age teens who are giving birth out of wedlock. For example, yes-
terday, on the Steve Wilcos TV show he profiled a young teen who
had given birth to 3 kids. She gave all kinds of excuses why she was
unable to take care of her infants...leaving them with whatever re-
lative she could find to take care of them. The last relative did sex-
ually abuse the kids for real. The father was on the show shouting
that he didn't give a damn about those kids or that "bitch". By the
time, social services did rescue those children they were all but
starving. The house was filthy with animal feces all over the floor.
The baby had a little cool-aid in the bottle. The older toddlers had
been eatingthe animal feces off the floor. Oh yeah, judge, those
mormon girls are being deprived of a lot of the pleasures of
modern life. They don't get a chance to smoke pot or watch porn and
violence on TV. And, they are not able to appreciate "diversity"from
other races. They could get to hang with blacks, and find out why
they are being called a "ho"( if they don't put out to the "brothers").
Also, be sure and watch the Jerry Springer show to further appre-
ciate the life-styles of teens living outside of a religious compound.
We have moved into a era of near hysteria about relationships
between mature men and legally defined "under age" females.
The word"pedophile" has become equally as an insult as the
word "racist". Political correctness and hypocrisy pervades the
air waves in this country on such subject matters. No excep-
tions are tolerated. Are any of you aware that Jesus was born
out of a pedophile marriage? Research shows that Jewish
customs in biblical times reflected that girls got "bethrothed"
before marriages. Those betrothals were equally as binding as
the marriage ceremony. It usually preceded marriage by about
six months. Jewish law permitted betrothals of females at the
age of 121/2 years of age. At the time Mary became betrothed
to Joseph her age was not exactly known. Joseph (who was of
the house of David) is usually accepted to have been in his 40's.
So, at the time of Mary's marriage to Joseph, most scholars
conclude she was probably 13 years old. Mary's mention in the
bible during the time of Jesus's ministry reflects that her life span
was due to her young age at the time of the "immaculate con-
ception". Joseph was not mentioned since life expectancy for a
male at that time was around 46 years of age.
A critical aspect of the invasion of that mormon community, and
the illegal seizure of those kids, concerns the legal precedent it
would,set if that bitch on the bench prevails in this travesty of
justice. It would mortally wound the constitutional protections
and guarantees which the framers have given us. It should be
understood by all citizens that government will always seek to
overeach in it's desire to regiment, regulate, and control the
people. Such is the nature of the beast. Toward that purpose,
government is forever seeking to enact laws, rules, ordinances,
etc. All such laws are those which attempt to tell the people
what they can NOT do. It is only the law, as set forth in the Bill
of Rights/Constitution, that guarantees citizens the rights and
freedoms as to what they have a right to do. Thus, if govern-
ment does pass a law or renders a judgement that infringes on
those constitutional freedoms and rights, it will be overturned
and struck down. That megalomaniac judge violated both stat-
utory law(due process) as well an constitutional law. There
are certain obvious legal concepts that require no discussion
since they have been well decided and accepted over the years.
For example, one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,
after having had a fair and impartial trial. But that judge has taken
actions against INDIVIDUALS of that sect as though some sort of
guilt has already been established by virtue of their being a
member of that sect. Furthermore, she would not be qualified to
preside over any such trial because of the prejudice and bias she
has shown to their religious beliefs and practices. It is simply guilt
by association. The fact that one (or more) priests sexually abused
little boys does not make all priests guilty. We do not charge all
teachers for being guilty of sexual abuse because one(or more)
teachers were proven guilty of such abuse.That judge cannot take
all of the children away from their parents by simply alleging she
is doing so for their protection. Who made her God? Let the state
prove by a preponderance of credible evidence in court that those
children were being neglected, abandoned, physically beaten
(abused), or deprived of food, clothing or shelter. Finally, lets get
this straight:Underage sex is, by law, statutory "rape"; but under-
age marriage is not "rape"...no matter how hard those officials and
the media spin it.
If this judicial tyranny is allowed to set a precedent, then we open
the door to government invading the Amish-Mennonites societies
(sects)...many of whom have less exposure to the "outside world"
than does that mormon sect. Many have no modern conveniences
(horse and buggy for transportation;no telephones,etc). Many don't
even have electricity. The following is from research off the internet:
"The most important Amish doctrine is obedience and yielding to
God, the church and others. Parents teach children to be obedient
and respectful and yield to the higher purpose of the family and
Amish community. Gentleness and peace are valued over vio-
lence and aggression. The second major doctrine is separation
from the outside world. Since there is "evil" and "sinners" in the
outside world, the amish try to protect their membership by sep-
arating themselves from the rest of the world. To keep the com-
munity together and their lives simple, amish leaders decided to
outlaw automobiles and use horses for farm work and transporta-
tion. Children are nurtured by all members of the family and
create bonds with their numerous relatives".
[When there are allegations that young mormon girls are "forced"
into marriage with older men, such "force" is most likely to have
been simply a matter of having been taught (like the amish) to be
obedient to the church. And, if you want to call that "conditioning"
then same can be said of any religion - whose members follow
the teachings and tenets of their church/religion. The reason we
have freedom of religion is that one denomination does not have
the right to impose their beliefs, and/or standards, on another
religious group (or secular group for that matter.)]
Additionally, there are orthodox jewish communities(mainly
hasidic) that also have removed themselves from the outside
world and have their own code of morality. Many of them permit,
and/or encourage, legally defined "underage"marriages. The
wives are taught that procreation is a primary duty of a wife.
Also, many of the men marry the girls through"arranged"mar-
riages...or after using the services of a marriage broker. "Arranged"
marriages are quite common in many other cultures - especially
in India and in muslem countries. Shouldn't officials in those
localities follow the precedent set by the megalomaniac to,
likewise, invade those communities and take the children away
these other groups?
But, then, the big question is: Are we going to continue to pass and
enforce laws that are more intended to force citizens to conform
to government's view of morality, rather than concentrate on
passing laws that protect out borders; control wasteful govern-
ment spending; reform trade policies that place our country at
a competitive disadvantage; overhaul our public education system;
fix medicare by reforming our health care system; stop the flood of
illegal aliens who soak up social services intended for citizens; stop
government from raiding the social security trust fund; balance the
budget; reform the IRS and establish a flat tax system; derail plans
to build that NAFTA superhighway...whereby we are to pay a huge
amount for our portion of the highway, plus agreeing to pay for
Mexico's portion that boondoggle (the taxpayers didn't agree);
move the UN out of the US...or, at least, stop paying a dispropor-
tionate amount of their budget to finance their anti-american
programs and rhetoric ,and; GET OUT YOUNG MEN THE HELL
OUT OF IRAQ NOW. Pull out and just let those muslems
THE FINAL SOLUTION
Many scientists, involved in genetic research, will admit that
the initial body of work in this field can be traced back to the
nazi government in Germany during the 1940s. Much of the
motivation for that research can be attributed to Hitler and
his henchmen seeking to prove that germans were a genet-
ically superior master race. For a long period after the war,
any work in genetics was looked upon with suspicion (as
though it might be a continuation of trying to prove one
race superior to another race). But with the breakthrough
of the human genome project, in which we discovered the
DNA matrix, and could begin to see where DNA markers
could be a basis for finding solutions to diseases, and
pre-natal testing could be used to determine whether or
not a fetus had markers that predisposed it to diseases
(that might justify abortion), we began to look at genetics
in a much more positive light.
But nobody should ever forget the absolute horrors that nazi
scientists, such as Dr Josef Mengele and others, used in carry-
ing out their research. They used Jews, gypsies, Jehovah
Witnesses, and others imprisoned populations, to conduct ex-
periments which amounted to nothing less than being tortured
to death. Mengele had a particular fascination with twins. He
subjected them to freezing of limbs, burnings of limbs and
amputating of body parts to measure pain endurance. None
of those experiments were used with any form of anesthesia.
When the screaming became too loud, Mengele would stuff
gags in their mouths.
Mengele's DNA experiments degenerated into a program for
testing of Germans toward compelling many Germans ,thought
to be inferior , to submit to sterilization. It is reported that
two million germans were forcibly sterilized - most between
15 to 17 years of age. As we know, the nazis finally moved on
to mass murder of those who were shipped to the death camps.
This was known as THE FINAL SOLUTION.
Today, the only reservations we have with genetics and DNA
testing is whether or not society will began to use DNA as a
form of discrimination. Issues such as using DNA testing for
hiring decisions, refusing to extend insurance to those with
markers for diseases,etc. The select committee report on
human genetics of The Nuffield Council on Bioethics stated
that misuse of genetic information, related to an individ-
ual's right to privacy and confidentiality of medical informa-
tion, should be made a criminal and civil offense. A movie
that reflects how a future society would use DNA to deter-
mine which DNA classification gets the opportunities and
better jobs while those with questionable markers are rele-
gated to janitor jobs etc., is called, "Gattaca".(A chilling movie)
As above stated, DNA testing can be used for positive pur-
poses. For example, in Dallas County, Texas we are releasing
one prison inmate after another when DNA testing is show-
ing that a great many of the accused could not have commit-
ted the rape/murder of a women...for which they have been
in prison for 20 years or more. Thankfully, we no longer have
Henry Wade as the District Attorney for this county. Though
during his long tenure, a number of innocent people were rail-
roaded into prison by a combination of prosecutorial miscon-
duct, and Judges, (like the megalomaniac in the instant case),
who failed to insure that trials were "fair" or "impartial". We
now have a DA who appears to believe what Justice Learned
Hand once said, "A prosecutor's job is not to get convictions,
but to see that justice is done".
Also, no one would argue that DNA testing of people, who are
likely suspects in a crime, need to be tested to determine guilt
or establish innocence. But, in the case of that mormon sect,
where that judge is trying to force compulsory dna testing of
all the members of that sect, simply to engage in a geneological
and pedigree witchhunt, is ridiculous. If you put a newborn calf,
or kid(sheep) out into the herd or flock, it will find its biological
mother...and the mother will find it's newborn.The members
of that sect know who belongs to who. And, any order from that
judge which amounts to constructing a family tree is wholly irrel-
evant....and simply is an unconstitutional invasion of privacy.
The primary issue is that those children should never have been
taken from their families in the first place. Even if one of the
women left the sect and abandoned her child to be raised by
another women (stepmother or second wife if that makes you
happy) that women should also be entitled to have the custody
of that child restored to her. All of this DNA hoopla is only acover and
stall by that judge to have the children dispersed across the state, and
out of that court's jurisdiction. Leading those mothers to believe that
by complying with DNA testing they would get their children back
is simply a cruel hoax...and one more example of lies which those
officials have been using throughout this case. The attorneys for that
sect ought to tell those men to refuse to cooperated with such order for
DNA testing - since it is likely this vicious judge might use such tests
tests in an attempt to prosecute the husbands for statutory rape.
That judge has once again raised the spector of fear and suspicion
regarding the inappropriate use of DNA testing by government.
Thanks to her, Texas might be easily be regarded as the heir to
another specter of a FINAL SOLUTION. Shades of Nazi Germany.
Seig Heil, judge.
Conventionality is not morality
Self-righteousness in not religion
Wednesday, April 16, 2008
influenced by spin and/or politically correct crap, that is put
out by government (and disseminated by the media), that person
is Dr Michael Savage.
His radio programs give every american reason to hope that we
might yet remain a free people...and that our Constitution might
withstand the assaults by both the facists and the far left.
This writer was most gratified to listen to his broadcast yesterday
where he basically echoed the posts of this blogger.
Thank you Dr Michael Savage.
Monday, April 14, 2008
The state of Texas, and its accomplices, has, apparently, completed its raid
and kidnapping of those children at that Mormon sect. We have now moved
to the demonization phase...whereby these facists are spewing out whatever
spin and distortions they can conjure up in an attempt to justify one of the most
grievous assaults upon the constitution - not witnessed since the massacre of
the Davidians at Waco.
But then, lets interpret some of this demonization. They are continually using
"rape","sexual assault", "abuse" and other derogatory allegations(unsubstantiated).
The state might attempt to prosecute underage marriages themselves, but the above
words are not appropriate or accurate to be applied to those within a marital relation-
ship. They also demean the marriage ceremony when they refer to it as a spiritual
marriage. What the hell is any marriage but a "spiritual" ritual. One can be married
at one of the Elvis Presley chapels in Vegas after some joker utters the standard
"Do you take this man.......blah, blah........Do you take this woman.....blah, blah. "I
now pronounce you husband and wife" Now pay us and the witness.
My biggest concern, at this point, is the very real abuse by the state in conducting
an inquisition of these very young children without permission from their parents. I'm sure the state is quite anxious to obtain any statements favorable to justifying their absurd actions.
A number of parents have written the governor to make him aware that those
children are not only very frightened from being examined and probed in their private parts but are getting sick on the food that is altogether different from that which they are not used to eating. They have been taught that outside food is poisonous. Which is not too far wrong. Those kids have those rosy cheeks and overall health because they have probably been fed a diet of fresh vegitables and fruit. They have not known the delights of fat-burgers and canned food full of chemicals and food dyes. Actually, the human intestines were never meant to digest meats. The guts are too long and the waste putrifies before it can be expelled. Children outside that sect are fatsos - after eating all the twinkies and other junk food. Most will develope diabtes before their 21st birthday.
Also, again, we will see history repeating itself.... while the interrogations of those children might very well produce statements from the kids which will be made in a manner they feel is what the interrogator wishes to hear. Some years ago we had
the notorious McMartin preschool case . The children told of demon practices and
the sacrifice of animals. Also that the teachers were committing all sorts of sexual abuses upon them - uncluding a knife being pushed up the anus of one child (but with no wounds whatever). That case set off similar allegations of abuse all over the world. After 7 years of prosecutions against that school, the case was finally thrown out. It still hold the record as the most expensive prosecution in the state of California. No wonder the state of Texas does not want to take action through legal processes. It would far exceed the cost of that McMartin case.
However, I simply cannot understand why that sect cannot hire attorneys to sue the parties
individually and the state of Texas under which those parties acted in agency
capacity. They should sue in the Federal government since it was a blatant violation
of civil rights.
Saturday, April 12, 2008
Even If there was a violation(s) of law in regard to the conduct of that Mormon sect, due process is still a viable constitutional concept in the operation of jurisprudence in these United States of America.
Evidence against an individual or individuals should have been presented to a grand jury and a true bill sought from that body. The law does not permit guilt by association...in that an entire group of people is stripped of their constitutional
rights - and their personal and real property siezed, and/or occupied.
And, the state taking custody of their children should also have been proven by evidence and/or witnesses proving an abuse scenario in a court of law which
might justify the state being awarded custody of the child or children. To exercise the heavy hand of the law without operation of law should be condemned by every citizen in this country...unless,of course, you agree that an individual or group should be punished as guilty simply upon accusation, or by biased heresay from someone like that Laurie Allen (who is trying to sell her book about her supposed grief during her time in that mormon sect).
Of course, she has a bone to pick with her ex-husband(who is still a member of that sect). And, the truth of her allegations have not been made with penalty of perjury...under oath in a court of law or ,at least, by sworn affidavit. Otherwise she is happy to recount all sort of revelations to the press. Why not? The more publicity she gets the better it is to sell that book.
But, now that those officials have taken that action sans due process, we are now in the demonization aftermath....attempting to justify their ultra vires action. We are titilated about how the young newlywed bride must consumate her marriage on a bed set up in the temple. That would tend to provide the consummation with a solemn setting. Of course, non-mormon brides usually consumate their marriage vows in a motel room. So, the mormon brides are denied room service and a honeymoon trip. Oh, the horror. Go figure.
Now, we hear that a federal agent had infiltrated into that sect. So, with a credible witness like that, the state certainly had someone who could have testified in a grand jury hearing. Thus, the state could have proceeded to take action on a dejure basis. I would like to read his sworn affidavit outlining his first hand observance of the penal laws that he witnessed being violated....and by whom.
But if we do decide to assign guilt by association, when do we go after other religions with idiosyncrasies. For example,the Jehovah Witnesses do not accept induction into military service, and don't believe in blood trasfusions for their children. Their members teach such practices to their children. So,will the state of Texas round up their kids for foster families? The answer is they are better organized and go to court to protect their rights. A judge might feel thats not a good idea. Much easier to violate the constitutional rights of those groups who have isolated themselves from the outside community(and legal community).
Anyway, if we are to honor the rule of law, I want to see the judge who started this outrage to be censored or disbarred by the State Commission on Judicial Conduct. A Federal judge should issue a cease and desist order against the state of Texas...and those children should be returned to their parents - and the church's records returned to them. They are poison fruit now anyway.
By the way, where is that ACLU when there is a prime case of abuse of civil liberties that have been violated. By then, I forget that that group only enters the picture when it can force the practices of any and all religion influences to be removed from the school and elsewhere. Of course, they do go to court to rail against any laws that would attempt to adversly affect illigal aliens
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Friday, April 11, 2008
It would appear that we have forgotten the abuse of government power that
culminated in the fiery deaths of many innocent children at Waco. Thus, are we
doomed to repeat a similar government intrusion under the guise of a heroic
"rescue" by the jack-booted authorities in Texas. That group of mormons -
like the davidians at Waco - should have had the right to exercise their freedom of
religion and life style as they saw fit. I would rather tolerate that sect of christians
practicing polygamy in this country, rather than tolerate moslems practicing and
teaching jihad against this country. But government protects the latter under
freedom of religion...while denying such protection to the former. Even under this
intolerance, I doubt they have a leader preaching,"G..damn America."
While some tenets of their faith might include the practice of polygamy, they pose
no danger or threat, whatever, to any citizen outside that cloistered sect. It certainly
does not justify one of the most repugnant abuses of authority and constitutional
rights that has occurred in recent history - save and except for the massacre of the
davidians at Mount Carmel outside Waco. In such cases of religious practice why
can't the government extend its, "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Or, perhaps, we can
grant such communities a "sanctuary" status - as some cities have provided to
illegal aliens (many of whom come here to commit murder and mahem...not to men-
tion soaking up taxpayer money to support them). Also, if it was homosexuality
that was being practiced by that sect, then the state would probably not only permit
such deviations but would force children in schools to read books entitled, "Why
Johnnie has two fathers".
The state acted against the davidians under a pretext of enforcing a violation of
some firearms regulation...even though the members involved held gun dealership
licenses. The state of Texas alleges they were moved to act against that mormon
sect because because of some unsubstantiated complaint by a minor female who
,mysteriously, can't be located? The judge who authorized that massive violation of
constitutional rights against those mormons should be remembered in history as
having graduated with top honors from the Judge Roy Bean school of law. Where
is due process of law in all of this? Perhaps the judge is a baptist who was moved to
assist that First Baptist Church to haul away those mormons to be converted to their
tight-ass interpretation of the bible.
But ,seriously, how can the state deny the constitutional rights of an entire group of
people; invade their private property ; and round them up like a bunch of cattle being
moved into holding pens? Has West Texas suspended the concept of habeous
corpus in this country? All this on the basis of an "alleged" UNSWORN complaint?
And, even if there was a valid complaint against a particular man, how can this be
the basis for an overly broad search warrant to seize all the records (electronic and
otherwise) within an entire community. In reality, it is a fishing expedition to find
any sort of evidence that might support an offense to justifiy its precipitous action.
Talk about fruit from the poisonous tree.
Actually, the real motivation for such abuses of government - both at Waco and at
that mormon compound - is simply this: Government just can't accept the idea that
there are groups of people who simply wish to be left alone... to live thier lives
outside the conformities which most of us are forced into by political correctness,
and the hypocrisy of what is perceived to be the correct way to conduct out lives.
The action of this state government - against that mormon sect - disrupting the lives
of those individuals from a stable and caring family setting is both ludicrous and ill-
advised. The trauma that will be suffered by those children, in being torn from their
families, will endure long after the state of Texas has satisfied its sactimonious
reasoning for pursuing such facist tactics.
The fact is this country has become obsessed with age differentials between mature
men and underage teens. But, there are few families (at least in the South), who
trace their ancestory that cannot find a grandmother,great-grandmother, or great-
great grandmother who did not marry their grandfather as an underage teen...who
went on to produce large and happy families(for the most part). Loretta Lynn married
her older husband when she was 13 years of age. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13
year old cousin when she was 13 years old. Today, we would, undoubtedly, attempt
to charge those males with rape and/or sexual abuse.
79 % of black babies are born out of wedlock. Most of them to teens 15 years
of age or younger. But, according to the state of Texas, there is now a law that
prohibits marriage at 16 years or younger - even if the parents give permission
for such marriages. So, the result of that law guarantees babies born out of wedlock,
because teen girls are having sex - whether married or not. The difference is that
now the taxpayers will have to provide welfare support for those babies...with no
obligation from a husband. The teens in that mormon sect appear clean, happy,
healthy and protected...and have the support of a husband (even if he is husband
and father to others).
Now, the state of Texas will be taking over those children. And, that ridiculous
Child Protective Services(CPS) will be responsible for placing them into foster
homes. I have never met a person who grew up in a foster home that was well
adjusted and amounted to anything in life. There will usually be 2 or more foster
children in those homes, and the main incentive of the foster parents is to live on
the income provided by the state. Most treat their wards like unloved servants.
Also, we are now well aware of how Texas takes care of minors. A good example
comes from all the recent horror stories concerning the TexasYouth Authority.
The kids locked up in those facilities are beaten and raped for real - by both the
inmates and the guards. So, notwithstanding the demonization process that
is underway to validate the state's action, the conditions which these orphaned
children will now have to endure, as wards of the state, is almost guaranteed to
cause those children to have a much more unhappy childhood.
Shame of you state of Texas. Pray for forgiveness, kangaroo court judge.